AC: We’re in a very strange place — it all disappoints me, to be absolutely frank. I worry if this Labour government is not a success, our politics is going to a very dark place. Around Europe, the populist radical right is on the march. Jacob may think that’s a good thing, I think it’s a terribly dangerous thing. What we’ve seen, exacerbated by the influence [of] Elon Musk, in Belfast and Southampton is the politics of Reform and Restore. We treat them as normal mainstream politicians. I don’t believe they are — they’re dangerous. Brexit was a vehicle for them.